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	<title>Comments on: Will Spock.com, a social listings service, be worth using?</title>
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		<title>By: Humans and rats battle it out for second place in search &#124; Dan's Diary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humans and rats battle it out for second place in search &#124; Dan's Diary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already tried to pour cold water all over Wikia, and I remain a skeptic on Spock. To the point: the machine powered search algorithms used by companies like Google and Technorati [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] already tried to pour cold water all over Wikia, and I remain a skeptic on Spock. To the point: the machine powered search algorithms used by companies like Google and Technorati [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. McKeown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J. McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your view, Dave.
I&#039;d like to see a Spock come up with a good way to handle spam and offer quality listings for everyone, and maybe it will turn to be effective like that eventually with those user credibility ratings and other measures--as I said, my observations are very preliminary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your view, Dave.<br />
I&#8217;d like to see a Spock come up with a good way to handle spam and offer quality listings for everyone, and maybe it will turn to be effective like that eventually with those user credibility ratings and other measures&#8211;as I said, my observations are very preliminary.</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<description>hey dan -

one thing you might not have known about Spock is that in order to leave tags / vote, you need to have an account / be logged in... thus, no &quot;anonymous tag spamming&quot;... everything is on the record, and all votes have an owner.

similarly, over time certain individuals on Spock will begin to build up more credibility / authority, and their votes will carry more legitimacy... sort of like how folks achieve high reputation scores on eBay, or greater authority on Wikipedia, or Digg, or SlashDot.  

while it&#039;s certainly possible -- even likely -- that many open systems will have spam of some sort (search spam, blog spam, email spam, tag spam, etc), there are ways to limit the power of bad actors and to encourage and enable the power of good actors.  the community overall can help limit this behavior, and the system itself can also assist the community.

Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, eBay, Hotmail, Blogger, and many other successful web properties have these same issues -- and they appear to be able to solve these issues and protect their users from spam (some better than others).

Spock is a new service, however given their engineers come from some of the same environments above (several ex-Yahoo folks), there&#039;s no reason to think they can&#039;t figure out similar ways to combat &amp; deter spam.

- dave mcclure

(ps - full disclosure: i&#039;m an advisor to Spock, and i tag-bomb Mike Arrington all the time ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey dan -</p>
<p>one thing you might not have known about Spock is that in order to leave tags / vote, you need to have an account / be logged in&#8230; thus, no &#8220;anonymous tag spamming&#8221;&#8230; everything is on the record, and all votes have an owner.</p>
<p>similarly, over time certain individuals on Spock will begin to build up more credibility / authority, and their votes will carry more legitimacy&#8230; sort of like how folks achieve high reputation scores on eBay, or greater authority on Wikipedia, or Digg, or SlashDot.  </p>
<p>while it&#8217;s certainly possible &#8212; even likely &#8212; that many open systems will have spam of some sort (search spam, blog spam, email spam, tag spam, etc), there are ways to limit the power of bad actors and to encourage and enable the power of good actors.  the community overall can help limit this behavior, and the system itself can also assist the community.</p>
<p>Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, eBay, Hotmail, Blogger, and many other successful web properties have these same issues &#8212; and they appear to be able to solve these issues and protect their users from spam (some better than others).</p>
<p>Spock is a new service, however given their engineers come from some of the same environments above (several ex-Yahoo folks), there&#8217;s no reason to think they can&#8217;t figure out similar ways to combat &amp; deter spam.</p>
<p>- dave mcclure</p>
<p>(ps &#8211; full disclosure: i&#8217;m an advisor to Spock, and i tag-bomb Mike Arrington all the time <img src='http://pacificpelican.us/diary/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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